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New Trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Sun Nov 01, 2015 5:44 pm

So I need a new trans (E4OD). I have been having problems for a while and I have burnt fluid, this after adding a gallon because I found it was low. I am pretty sure I developed a pump seal leak which caused the fluid to go low.

The motor makes about 500hp/575tq to the back of the motor. I have a custom build torque converter which I will have cleaned and inspected. For the trans, I am not sure just what to do, looking for input from the group here.

I am sure I could pay 5000 for a trans and get something that would work, but I need to not go crazy with the money here.

While not 100%, I don't think there is any major damage to gears/splines, etc. I think I burnt the clutches.

What I think my options are:

    A local mechanic quoted me $2-4000 for just the rebuild.

    Get a quote from a transmission shop here in town (could I trust them to build something strong enough for my motor)?

    I have seen some on-line dealers that offer transmissions that claim to take a lot of HP, 500 or 600. Are these worth it? Can they be trusted?

    Other options?

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Re: New Trans

Unread postby decipha » Sun Nov 01, 2015 6:23 pm

IMO e4od's are junk Ive blown up a few at the beginning of this year you can read all about it in my 4r100 woes threads

I swapped a 4r70w in my 01 harley truck and ditched the 4r100

what year truck and ignition system ecu do u have?
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby decipha » Sun Nov 01, 2015 6:25 pm

oh i see right there, 92 f150 351w

pretty basic swap
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:26 pm

I read your write-up, good stuff.

Have a few questions

With my block and my truck being 4x4, how do I find the right 4r70w to fit my block? And when I find this, do I need to make sure it is built to handle my power?

Can I re-use my existing torque converter?

I currently have my E4OD controlled with a Baumann TCS, would it be easier to use that? Would it be best not to? Would like the lease amount of work.

What else would I need to change? Linkage?
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby decipha » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:55 pm

being 4x4 does throw another aspect in to it which might not make it worth it

any 4x4 f150 99-03 transfer case and 98-03 v6 mustang 4r70w i would think would be most ideal, im not sure if your transfer case will bolt up though and i doubt that it will, the trans length will be throw off too since the 4r70w is shorter youd have to shorten the front shaft and lengthen the rear shaft

I would see first if the chassis and wheelbase is useable for the complete swap out of a newer truck, it might be but if not it wouldnt be worthwhile

a stock 4r100 rebuild with the heavy duty sprag would be pretty solid, then again Ive never had a 4r100 live behind a stock 5.4 n/a not even in my work trucks where as ive never had a 4r70w ever fail even beating the snot out of stockers

the e4od and 4r70w use different converters

the bauman can be reprogrammed for the 4r70w but it would be best to just swap a cbaza type ecu in it so u can do it all in one at least i would

the linkage is the same
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:24 pm

I think for now it is best to stick with an E4OD replacement and wait until when I can plan to swap something else in
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby decipha » Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:25 pm

yea would be the fastest just swapping it out
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:34 pm

so any advice on that (E4OD)? How to make sure it is strong enough?
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby decipha » Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:05 pm

a basic 4r100 rebuild with sprag would be stout no worries
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:20 pm

KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBBBBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM is what my E4OD said today. Not real sure of the issue but I know it is dead. No line pressure and no forward moving gears.

So, when I get to it, I am going to do the 4r70w swap. I know i can get an adapter to go between the trans and the transfer case, so as long as I can get a trans that will bolt to my block then I will be able to make everything else work. Will be a bit of a project but not too terrible.
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:53 pm

One question about the 4r70w...I have been reading on-line from various places that sell these and most specify in the description "rated for 1000+ n/a hp"

Why would there be a need to call out this being for naturally aspirated motors? Is there something different to the trans that needs to be done with a supercharger (or turbo)?
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby jsa » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:01 pm

Torque kills gearboxes not hp.

Hp for hp turbo will have more tq than na.
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:43 am

yeah, that makes sense. so it isn't really if the power comes from n/a or boosted, it is all about the numbers. The torque the trans can handle should be higher than the max output of my motor.
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby decipha » Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:14 pm

a stock 4r70w will handle that no problem
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:08 pm

Been thinking about this more and I have a plan... I'm going to try and get a used, non-rebuilt 2002-2003 4r70w from a 4x4 vehicle that is working and swap out the e4od with the 4r70w. At the same time, I want to remove the transmission controller I have and have the factory ECU control the 4r70w trans. I don't feel I can trust a transmission shop to do the 4r70w swap and certainly would not ask them to do the controller part. At this time I'd also buy a proper torque converter for my setup.

I am guessing I could use this setup for a while but may not be able to go full power on the 4r70w trans before I get it rebuilt and would use the torque converter I bought to use with the rebuilt transmission

Any problems with this plan?
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby decipha » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:24 pm

4x4 will have a different tail shaft housing, you need the non 4x4 tailshaft housing, if its a 4x4 its most likely a truck as well, the trucks have modular engines thus the trans case has the modular bellhousing and not the sbf bellhousing you need. The sbf bellhousing can only be found on the v6 4r70w's and the 01- explorer 5.0 engines.

yep the cbaza ecu can control the trans no problem, just make sure you get a 1 ohm tcc solenoid for the eec-iv, as the 10 ohm tcc solenoid in the 95+ 4r70w's will not be able to be controlled correctly by the eec-iv

I've pushed over 600rwhp through a stock 4r70w, you can get a new mark 8 torque converter for $125 from transtar. Thats the best highest stall stock 4r70w converter you can get and its good for about 450rwhp.
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:04 am

My truck is 4x4, if I can find the right transmission from an 01 explorer, would that tail shaft be OK for me to use with the transfer case?

Thanks for the info, glad I asked
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby decipha » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:11 am

yea if you snatch a 5.0 / v6 trans and the tail shaft off a 4x4 with the transfer case you should be good to go, the 4r70w I believe is an inch or two longer than the aod so you'd have to get the drive shafts resized, I don't know if the 92-96 and 97+ f series are the same length or not so you'd prob have to factor in getting shafts resized, If you have aluminum shafts be sure your local driveshaft shop can cut weld and balance them as most cannot. Prob be best to just get shafts made, you'd be looking less than $200 per shaft at most drive shaft places
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:35 am

I wasn't planning on getting the transfer case only because I wasn't sure about the controls. Right now I have the x-fer case with the shiftier through the floor and I am not sure if the Explorer has this and it would work in my case or if it was electronic shift or just what. I saw there was a spacer/adapter I can get that would allow the 4r70w to mate to my current x-fer case and was planning on using that.
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby decipha » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:11 am

thats cool too, even moe betta
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:01 pm

It might be hard to find a used 4r70w for a sbf, most are for the modular motors. So I was thinking of buying a vehicle and maybe part it out https://cosprings.craigslist.org/cto/d/ ... 69590.html
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby decipha » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:08 pm

200k its time for a rebuild not the strip
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:13 pm

I don't find many available without high mileage unless it's a rebuild, maybe I'll just skip finding a used one (I wasn't aware I could only use a specific transmission) and get a rebuilt for the sbf
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby decipha » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:16 pm

anything up to 120k should be fine, look for v6s they are easier to find with lower mileage and usually better taken care of
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:36 pm

Now that I know what specific trans to look for (thanks again), it looks like the one listed in this post would work - https://denver.craigslist.org/pts/d/for ... 57001.html

However, I am leaning away from getting a used one now. I have seen rebuilt transmissions that I can use for $1100-1200 and I don't think I want to play the remove and replace game over and over again. Spending an extra 7-800 will hopefully get me a working trans for a while.
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:34 am

I am currently using the U4P0 ECU with the U4P2 tune from here...you said this can control a 4r70w, can it control an E4OD?

I want to remove the trans controller first and just see if my trans behaves any differently. I have a suspicion the trans controller could be the reason why I went through 3 of these transmissions and if I am planning on removing the controller anyway, I might as well do that first...and it won't cost me any $$.
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby decipha » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:08 pm

no it cant only 4r/aode
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:21 pm

What would be my options for a manual for my SBF? Zf5 or ZF6, could I use either of those?
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby decipha » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:47 pm

i rly couldnt tell you as ive never swapped a manual on a 4x4 so i couldnt tell you from experience what it would entail

prob best to hit up the truck forums to see what they normally do
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:43 pm

I've been re-thinking how much power I need to have a transmission handle, and it looks like I'm around 415hp / 450tq

Is a monster trans any good, they are having a sale http://www.monstertransmission.com/4R70 ... ita059lDqA
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby decipha » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:40 am

ive never heard of monster trans but any stock 4r70w can handle that power with no problem
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:36 pm

In the tune with a 4r70w, am I able to control things in the trans like when it shifts and line pressure?
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby decipha » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:40 pm

yes all of that has to be dialed in
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:34 pm

I removed my E4OD, I started the motor and while the motor is warming up I have a very regular idle surge of about 300 RPM. Do I need to make adjustments to the tune after removing my trans? Using the U4P2 tune.
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Re: New Trans

Unread postby decipha » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:42 pm

if it started surging with no changes other than the trans being ripped out i wouldnt be concerned with it until u put another trans back in
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