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99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby witnlyn » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:20 am

Started planning this swap some time ago and now putting it into action. Swapping 94-95 5.0 into 99 v6 and here is what I have so far. Pulled old motor and transmission ( transmission will be reused for now). Changed k member to a 94-95 v8, bolted 5.0 to v6 transmission and installed. With help from Decifa selected to use a 2000 gt ecm, engine and computer harnesses are from a 2002 gt ( a couple of pigtails are different so repined them). Engine is converted to edis with cop utilizing a 97 explorer cam position sensor and 35 tooth crank wheel on front of balancer. Fabricated a bracket for crank sensor mounting. Had to do some shimming for Belt alignment. Have fired engine briefly with 4.6 Ecm but a lot of work to be done on tuning but it will be alive again!!
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby decipha » Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:17 pm

very nice

lmk when you want to proceed
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby witnlyn » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:34 pm

is there any differences in coils on 99+? I am having clearance issues on some cop and need to use a short plug wire. My coils have like a spade terminal in them when I pull off the boot and spring.
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby decipha » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:26 pm

nope they are all basically the same
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby witnlyn » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:29 pm

I read on a post you suggested using ls1 wires but I don't see how to stick it on the coil with the tab in it. or is there a alternate coil to use?
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby decipha » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:55 pm

no u have to use the ford coil

ill see if i can find a pic
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Unread postby decipha » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:18 pm

you should feel privelaged, i just went out and ripped a plug wire off my ss to take these pics

you can see theres a slot in the ls coil side connector that fits snugly on the ford coil spade connector

after you line it up and it snap it together be sure to put a wrap of electrical tape to seal the connection from moisture and water and to prevent it from coming undone

also be sure to keep the little heat shield that comes on the ls wires not in the pic as they are pretty nice, so long as your headers give you enough clearance
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby decipha » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:32 pm

witnlyn wrote:...selected to use a 2000 gt ecm, engine and computer harnesses are from a 2002 gt ( a couple of pigtails are different so repined them). Engine is converted to edis with cop utilizing a 97 explorer cam position sensor...


what wires did you repin?

is the cam sensor you snatched a 2 wire VR sensor?
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby witnlyn » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:24 am

Just had to change a connector end to match body harness near ecu. Not repin sorry. Yes two wire cam sensor.
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby witnlyn » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:29 am

my Old ls wire I was looking at has a piece of metal over slot I’ll see if it comes off or gets new one.
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby decipha » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:57 am

are you referring to the snap clip? if so, it will slide down and open when you snap the ls wire on the fords spade end of the coil, dont be scared just snap it together it will open up
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby witnlyn » Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:44 am

Ordering my Quarterhorse today. Was playing with tuner pro some and was wondering if I can write my pats code to the new tune to keep my anti-theft? Would need to read it off old eec to use in replacement one. I have old harness for eec can I make a bench harness to retrieve old pats code?
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby decipha » Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:44 am

yep sure can

i recently updated the getting started write up too, its much simpler now
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby witnlyn » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:41 am

I have my old V6 Harness, what wires would I need to use for a bench harness to retrieve bin off old eec?
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby decipha » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:44 pm

on the homepage under reference >> ecu swaps

https://www.efidynotuning.com/efiswap.htm

the minimum power wires listed there
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby witnlyn » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:12 pm

thanks
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby witnlyn » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:36 pm

Quarterhorse should be here today so I can read my bin to retrieve pats code. For the 99 v6 should be able to use xdf fbfg2 and for 2000 v8 use xdf cvaf1, correct me if I’m wrong.
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby decipha » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:17 pm

you should be able to use cvaf1 for both
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby witnlyn » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:10 pm

read both eec's and transfer pats and vin codes to v8 eec. working on finding all egr stuff to disable now and rear hego
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby witnlyn » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:14 pm

When I go to start it up I will need to get base timing set by adjusting postion of my crank sensor. what should I do to my spark tables so it will not be adding or retarding at idle? not sure witch tables to use either.
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby decipha » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:17 pm

set the global spark multiplier to 0, that will disable all ecu calculated spark

set the global spark adder to the amount of spark you want
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby witnlyn » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:27 pm

Thank you I’ll set it tomorrow evening
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby witnlyn » Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:20 pm

ok so far this is what I have done pats and vin transferred, engine displacement change to 5.0, egr deleted, numego switched to 1, spark global multiplier set to 0. Anything else I should do before startup? Hope to get to try it this weekend
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby decipha » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:49 pm

Yes the injector output port table

If u set numego to 1 and didn't update the injector output port table then bank 2 won't get any fuel

If u use the disable hego2 patch then I think I wrote it to update both. Double check the comments of the patch to make sure

All the fbfg2 values in the write up apply to all eec 5 swaps

https://www.efidynotuning.com/fbfg2.htm

Most importantly your maf and injector data too
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby witnlyn » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:50 am

I did update output port for the hego to all 0. The maf and injectors will be next and probably the most confusing for me. Lol
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby decipha » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:59 am

0 was what cyl 1-4 was set at?

http://www.efidynotuning.com/tips.htm
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Unread postby witnlyn » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:16 am

Yes so changed 5-8 from 2 to 0
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby decipha » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:31 am

excellent
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby witnlyn » Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:32 pm

finally got to work on it some. Progress so far is had to disable pats ( wouldn't start with pats code ) will figure that out later. Got it to idle enough to check timing and it is way to far advanced with global multiplier set at 0 and global offset at 0 also. Might need to remake bracket for crank sensor will check out more tomorrow . Was comparing my tune to "2000GT54" on forum and notice it has spark base set at all 60.0. Is that something I need to do also?
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby decipha » Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:08 pm

spark is disabled in your tune

the lowest spark calculated is whats used so to simplify spark when you do re enable it yes it would be wise to 60 out the base table to disable it
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Unread postby witnlyn » Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:24 pm

Ok thanks
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby witnlyn » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:11 pm

just out of curiosity where in the tune does it specify automatic or manual trans?
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby decipha » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:23 pm

quick check is tstrat and auto_trans_sw

but if you need to swap between the two see the trans tuning write up on the homepage for the full list
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby witnlyn » Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:22 pm

Running aftermarket fan that is not dual speed. Does it matter which wire I use for control (high or low) so my AC fan enabling works correctly?
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby decipha » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:07 am

yes wire up to low speed and disable the high speed if it's not being used
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Unread postby witnlyn » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:40 pm

putting #42 injector info in according to injector data on your page, not sure on break point though. info says 0.0000212 if I put that in it just 0's out when I open it back up to verify
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby decipha » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:42 pm

that's not right
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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby witnlyn » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:31 am

using newest XDF CVAF1_20171130 here is my bin not sure if I attached it right. never have sent a bin file before. LOL
Injector data ffrp 302 42# @ 39 lbs


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Re: 99 mustang v6 to 5.0HO swap

Unread postby decipha » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:20 am

you have to pay attention to the scaling, the details says *10,000

you should have been able to easily tell by the stock value being significantly different

knock the first four 0s off of it and you'll be golden, your breakpoint in the tune right now is 0.000027418
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Unread postby witnlyn » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:14 am

Oops
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